Something interesting came from the virgins though; a few bloggers took that saying and posted on what they thought of it and the comments they received were as equally interesting. The thought spans a wide range of interpretation and it was an enlightening experience for myself and many others.
It's genesis came one evening not too long after 9/11 when watching the news. It was being reported that part of the motivation for the hijackers was the prospect of these virgins. I looked at my husband and said "Why would a man want 72 virgins? They don't know how to please a man. I can guarantee you that an experienced woman would please a man much more than 72 virgins." He laughed for quite a while and said that I was right.
But beyond that, I think that it adequately displays the misogyny of women within Islam and their lack of value without an intact hymen. The months and years since 9/11 have opened a new forum for examining Islam. We are more often now reading of women who have been raped and are either killed or persuaded to commit suicide after this criminal act. These women are not killed in a humane manner, such as lethal injection, no, they are often stoned to death. Stoned to death for being a victim.
I will continue to comment on this regularly. I drop comments everywhere in the 'sphere regarding the National Organization of Women and how when it is broken down their only agenda is abortion. There is a genuine group of women out there that need the assistance of women's rights groups but have been ignored because they do not fit into the mold that NOW has created. This is part of the reason that I am excited about Cotillion, it's in it's infancy, but has the potential to impact the mindset of many with the opinions of conservative women. I'm honored to be on board.
May the one, good woman stay where she is and may the other 72 of you learn there are better lifes to live. May you find respect and safety and learning. You've got a long road to walk, I hope you find blogs like this one to guide you because though you may not even be aware of it, your lives suck.Paul of York 06.30.05 - 1:10 pm #
Hi Stacy - long time listener, first time caller...Every time I think of the 72 virgins I think of the cartoon I saw shortly after (and could not find on the web for love nor money): "What do you mean, they have to STAY virgins?!?" Heheheheheh.My own thought is that this is quite an insight into the mindset of a guy who wants to blow us up because of our licentious society. "You permit scantily-clad females in public! You drink alcohol! You have debauced morals!" they shriek. And their reward for martyring themselves in opposition? Eternity in the Gentlemen's Club in the Sky. Call me crazy for asking, but how could Heaven be the direct antithesis of clean living on Earth?Nightfly Homepage 06.30.05 - 3:21 pm #
Ma'am:Isn't your explanation equally misogynstic? You still have that odious "pleasing a man" clause........Amy Allen Homepage 06.30.05 - 3:54 pm #
Amy, here we go again. You're 13 and don't know (pardon my French) shit about what it's like to please a man. Pleasing my husband brings ME great pleasure. There is an inner part of women that want to bring that to their man. There is nothing misogynstic about it, it's human nature. Men have an inner desire to provide for their women, and women to take care of their man. If you've got a problem with that, talk to God.Stacy Homepage 06.30.05 - 5:07 pm #
Amen Sister!!! I actually get turned on by pleasing my husband!!! I also believe it's more blessed to give than receive!!!! I'll miss the saying! You go girl!beleivengod Homepage 06.30.05 - 5:24 pm #
Have a great weekend!!! I'll be back later to post more!believengod Homepage 06.30.05 - 5:25 pm #
Paula, I'm laughing!! I thought of that also after I commented. 'Tis much better to give than receive. Stacy Homepage 06.30.05 - 6:05 pm #
And Paul and Nightfly, thanks for coming by, I always appreciate new faces.Stacy Homepage 06.30.05 - 6:06 pm #
Ladies (Stacy and Paula), I appreciate your spirit and your priorities. I've never met them, but I can tell you that your husbands are very lucky guys. It's ladies like you who help put to rest that to be a Christian, females must be passionless, uptight guilt trippers who are motivated solely by duty and Biblical orders to marry. I think you've discovered the same secret I have found with my wife -- it truly is better to give than receive. I guess that's something some people will never understand.Muley Homepage 06.30.05 - 6:45 pm #
Hmmmm .. maybe there is hope.... might have to try this commitment thing again some day. Only been taken for everything twice, maybe third time lucky....rob Homepage 06.30.05 - 6:59 pm #
Rob, I adore Dr. Laura, she set me straight awhile back. Her message was clear and made sense. Feminism has destroyed my gender and yours as well. There is healthy feminism, but the women who place themselves above men have damaged our social structure. I tell everyone, men, women, read her book "The Proper Care And Feeding Of Husbands". It's one of the most enlightening books I've ever read; it was so easy to understand. Because at our core, we act upon instinct and the plan that God has for each of our genders.Stacy Homepage 06.30.05 - 7:26 pm #
Thanks Stacy, I'll pick it up. I guess I have to learn to watch the warning signs. Control and power instead of cooperation, intimacy, and devotion and all else that contributes to a harmonious relationship. I don't think it's feminism so much. When either party tries to be dominate over the other, there is bound to be conflict. For now, until such time that special person comes along, I'll have to stick to the 72 virgins.Notice how I swung that around right back on topic... rob Homepage 06.30.05 - 8:20 pm #
Thanks, I did need to get back on topic. Stacy Homepage 06.30.05 - 8:25 pm #
Keep on fighting the good fight Stacy.Gordon Homepage 06.30.05 - 9:38 pm #
Kind of you to notice my visit. I'll try not to wear out that welcome. Thank you.Paul of York 06.30.05 - 9:39 pm #
I have on good authority that there are now only 71 virgins...Jeff H Homepage 07.01.05 - 12:32 pm #
I tried to comment earlier today about the entire subject of virgins, Islam, sheetheads, men, women, marriage, sex, and, I believe, nuclear disarmament, but nothing showed up. Was it the word "sheethead" that failed to make it through the filter, or did I mistakenly comment at DailyKos? Just checking...Kevin Homepage 07.01.05 - 10:05 pm #
DailyKos needs comments like that.Stacy Homepage 07.01.05 - 10:14 pm #
I simply MUST stop blogging smashed....Kevin Homepage 07.01.05 - 10:17 pm #
The whole "virgin"" thing is nothing more than insecure children needing to have power over another person.You know, kind of like the Left in this country.The Exile Homepage 07.02.05 - 6:45 am #
Lethal injection, at least the way it is done in our prisons, isn't as humane as you may think. At times, the prisoner is not rendered insentient as it was supposed to. And, some injections may merely paralyze the prisoner while he suffocates, much like the curare used by some Amazon indians for hunting.All that aside, I find the low status and mistreatment of women in patriarcal societies disturbing.Howard Larson Homepage 07.02.05 - 12:47 pm #
I'm not going to fight with you over the prisoner thing, I'm not a prisoner's rights kind of person. People don't end up on death row because they ignored the 'keep off the grass' sign. As an aunt of someone who was killed by a drunk driver, I have little concern for those who break laws that injure/kill the innocent. But yes to paragraph two.Stacy Homepage 07.02.05 - 12:54 pm #
NEWS FLASH: There are now only 70 virgins according to Al Jahoochie news service.Jeff H Homepage 07.02.05 - 6:33 pm #
Al Jahoochie is now reporting that they can't actually verify that there are any virgins in Muslim Heaven. Seems they were basing it all on documents provided to them by some Mexican woman, via a mentally ill Bush hating Texan.Jeff H Homepage 07.03.05 - 5:47 pm #
You're something Jeff, the virgin thing has really gotten to you.Stacy Homepage 07.03.05 - 7:39 pm #